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+ From: Carsten Geckeler <uioziaremwpl@spammotel.com>
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+Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:18:49 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Carsten Geckeler <uioziaremwpl@spammotel.com>
+Subject: Re: Augmented Assignement (was: Re: PEP scepticism)
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+On 29 Jun 2001, David Bolen wrote:
+
+> Carsten Geckeler <uioziaremwpl@spammotel.com> writes:
+>
+> > The problem which some people have with augmented assignment is not that
+> > they exist, but that they do not work as they expect (at least from the
+> > POV of some readers). I expect that
+> > ident op= expr
+> > works like
+> > ident = ident op expr
+> >
+> > At least that's what I'd have expectd comming from other programming
+> > languages.
+>
+> Of course, one interesting point is that while you may think the above
+> if coming from, say, C, what "ident = ident op expr" means in C is not
+> what "ident = ident op expr" means in Python.
+
+Yes, that's completely true. I can accept, that Python work differently
+in many cases. Actually I love Python's object stuff. That's something
+more natural that in many other languages. And I can accept, that objects
+(which are bound to different variable names) can be changed (like with
+l.extend).
+
+The point is not that Python differs from C (or other languages), but that
+the two statements above work differently. I can accept that, of course
+(well I have to, I thing ;) ). But, when I write the following three
+statements,
+ l = l + [3, 4]
+ l += [3, 4]
+ l.extend([3,4])
+it seems more logical to me, that the first two do the same than the last
+two. I know, of course, that the last two do the same. But anyway, the
+first two just _look_ more the same.
+
+> In C it has the result of changing data (in either case) that is
+> stored in a named location ident, in Python the long form just rebinds
+> the reference ident to a new object and doesn't touch the original
+> object. The short form can actually get closer to the C idiom if the
+> object is mutable.
+>
+> So I wonder if some of the confusion is people familiar with other
+> language's augmented assignment trying to extrapolate that into Python
+> and then running into the pre-existing differences in assignment
+> versus binding?
+
+No, that's at least no problem for me (see above).
+
+Cheers, Carsten
+--
+Carsten Geckeler
+
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