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| author | bwarsaw <> | 2006-09-17 18:16:07 +0000 |
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| committer | bwarsaw <> | 2006-09-17 18:16:07 +0000 |
| commit | 34d6ece8a454e5d1d027ed106ba039a0a88db36d (patch) | |
| tree | 6dc6f8711b20124ce38491300d5fb95e1c022206 /admin/www/jwzrebuttal.html | |
| parent | b7f0fb3c888c1d331c2239fba0b8332a3bf240f2 (diff) | |
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Copy the mm21 admin directory out of the mm21 branch. We'll svn
external the latter to get that back into the release, but I really
don't want to maintain multiple copies of the web pages.
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Verbatim copying and distribution of this -entire article is permitted in any medium, provided this notice is preserved. - -</td></tr> -</table><!-- end of sidebar table --> - -</td> -<td width="15"> </td><!--spacer--> -<!-- end of sidebar cell --> -<!-- start of body cell --> -<td valign="top" width="90%" class="body"><br> -<h3>Mailman Considered Beneficial</h3> - -Jamie Zawinski posted an article in 2002 titled <a -href="http://www.jwz.org/doc/mailman.html">Mailman Considered -Harmful</a>. I know Jamie and respect him, but I respectfully -disagree with his assessment. You'd be worried if I didn't, eh? - -<p>To give Jamie the benefit of the doubt, I believe he was reviewing -older versions of the Mailman software, where some of his complaints -may have been appropriate. Here is a rebuttal to his -article, based on -<a href="http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103">the -latest stable release of Mailman 2.1</a>, unless otherwise specified. - -<h4>Mailman is a pain in the ass for the end user.</h4> - -Jamie must have reviewed a pre-2.0 version, because Mailman releases -since 2.0 have implemented the "sane" recipe. Indeed it would be -insane not to. I may be mad, but I'm not insane. In fact, in Mailman -2.1, there are several ways to get unsubscribed, any one of which will -work just fine: - -<ul> - <li>Send a message to <em>list</em>-leave or <em>list</em>-unsubscribe and - reply to the confirmation message. It doesn't matter at all what - is in your original message. - <li>Mail "unsubscribe" to the <em>list</em>-request address and - reply to the confirmation message. - <li>Use a mail reader that understands the standard - <a href="http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html">RFC 2369</a> - List-Unsubscribe header, then just click on that header and - reply to the confirmation message. - <li>Visit your <em>user's options page</em>, click on the - Unsubscribe button and reply to the confirmation message. - Note that with Mailman 2.1, mailing lists can be personalized, - which means the url to your options page can be included in - the footer of every message you get from the list (digests - currently excluded). -</ul> - -What could be simpler? - -<h4>Mailman's password mechanism provides zero security.</h4> - -I disagree with Jamie about the utility of Mailman's passwords because -in general they do prevent malicious people from changing your -subscription options out from under you. But I will also concede that -he has a point about password management by naive users, so you should -know that it is trivial to disable monthly password reminders, either -on a list-wide basis or on a per-user basis. - -<p>Monthly password reminders serve additional purposes though: they -remind you of lists you are on which you may have forgotten about, -they remind you about how to get unsubscribed from such lists, and -they offer an opportunity for lists to cull their membership of -non-functioning addresses. In Mailman 2.1, the monthly reminders can -be sent out with <a -href="http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt">VERP</a>-like envelopes, Mailman -can unambiguously parse any bounces from dead addresses, and can use -this information to automatically disable or delete disappeared -members. - -<p>When you subscribe to a mailing list, the password is completely -optional -- omit it and Mailman generates a random one for you. You -generally don't need to know your password except if you want to -change your delivery options, e.g. to temporarily disable delivery -while you're on vacation, or to switch to digest delivery, subscribe -to topics, etc. For simple membership management (subscribing and -unsubscribing), you never need to know it. The user options -<b>are</b> useful. - -<h4>Web-based subscriptions</h4> - -If all you care about is web-based subscriptions, then yes it's pretty -easy to set up a simple CGI to do this. It's just as easy to do with -Mailman as any other mailing list software. Note though, that -Mailman's web interface is much more sophisticated because you can do -nearly all the list configuration through the web. Okay, this is of -primary benefit for list owners rather than list members, and Jamie's -rant is focused on the member experience. Note though, that Mailman's -subscription page also gives the user the option of selecting a -default language (for multilingual lists) and their preferred delivery -mechanism (digests or regular delivery). - -</td><!-- end of body cell --> -</tr><!-- end of sidebar/body row --> -</table><!-- end of page table --> -</body></html> |