From VM Tue Dec 26 22:41:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ns2.digicool.com ([216.164.72.2] verified) by digicool.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.1) with ESMTP id 400038 for xxxxx@mail.digicool.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:41:55 -0500 Received: from mail.python.org (starship.python.net [63.102.49.30]) by ns2.digicool.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03359 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:41:47 -0500 Received: from ns1.zope.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC80BE904 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:27:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: mm+mailman-users-admin@python.org Received: from mr2.its.yale.edu (mr2.its.yale.edu [130.132.21.43]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27E8E904 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mr2.its.yale.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14658; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012261826.NAA14658@mr2.its.yale.edu> Errors-To: mailman-users-owner@python.org Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: From: MAILER-DAEMON@mr2.its.yale.edu Sender: mailman-users-owner@python.org To: mailman-users-admin@python.org Subject: Returned mail - nameserver error report Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: mailman-users@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 --------Message not delivered to the following: thomas.dtankengine No matches to nameserver query --------Error Detail (phquery V4.1): The message, "No matches to nameserver query," is generated whenever Yale's on-line directory fails to locate either a ph alias, name or nickname field that matches the supplied name. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: GID error (Bradley Leonard) 2. Password bug in Mailman 2.0 (Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz) 3. Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 (Bek Oberin) 4. Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 (Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz) 5. Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 (Bek Oberin) 6. Re: Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an unpriveledged account? (Dan Mick) 7. Re: Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 (Dan Mick) 8. Mailman 2.0 with Python 2.0 (Leonard Jacobs) 9. Recovering/resetting a list admin password (Jim Trigg) 10. (no subject) (Michael Albert) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] GID error From: "Bradley Leonard" To: jaym@opensourcedirectory.com Cc: mailman-users@python.org Reply-To: bradley@stygianresearch.com If the rpm was compiled for RH 7 then its probably set to apache. If not, you need to find the src rpm and rebuild it using the --rebuilddb option. You'll need to pass in new options or change the spec file. Brad 0> How would I set the GID for the cgi to execute. If I installed mailman > via rpm(on a slackware system)? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users@python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Bradley Leonard (bradley@stygianresearch.com) Stygian Research (http://stygianresearch.com) Life is simple. We make it complicated. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:48:07 -0500 From: Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password bug in Mailman 2.0 The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages. It's this a bug? --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:49:21 +1100 From: Bek Oberin To: Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages. It's a feature. bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer@tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave : like the ones in movies. -- Bill Bulko --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 01:21:42 -0500 From: Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz To: Bek Oberin Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 Bek Oberin wrote: > Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > > The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change > > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages. > > It's a feature. > > bekj > > -- > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- > : gossamer@tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ > : Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave > : like the ones in movies. -- Bill Bulko Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the administrative options. If it's a feature, I don't understand it. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:23:42 +1100 From: Bek Oberin To: Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > Bek Oberin wrote: > > Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > > > The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change > > > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages. > > It's a feature. > Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the > administrative options. Hang on, I mis-read that as "The Administrator password ...". Their -name-? You mean their email address? There isn't anywhere in mailman that their name is used .... bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer@tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Uptime DSW's are the highest form of geek competition. : -- Mike Whitaker --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:00:25 -0800 From: Dan Mick To: scott-brown@home.com Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an unpriveledged account? > If it's trying to delete a lock file, it's no doubt due to the fact that it > (thought that it) created a lock file. Since no lock file is present... why > did it get as far as it did without producing an error? I believe the underlying code is trying to clean up any possibly pre-existing lock file as part of the "taking care" section when creating a list. There's no known live lock file for the list because the list is being created now, and this code is just a prophylactic measure to try to make newlist more bulletproof. The fact that you didn't have permission would be a fatal error for either creating or removing a lock, so dying if it happens is not unreasonable. It is a bit confusing, but it's part of trying to make the filesystem persistence less of a problem. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:06:48 -0800 From: Dan Mick To: Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz , mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0 Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > > Bek Oberin wrote: > > > Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > > > The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change > > > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages. > > > > It's a feature. > > > > bekj > > > > -- > > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- > > : gossamer@tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ > > : Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave > > : like the ones in movies. -- Bill Bulko > > Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the > administrative options. ?? You said, correctly, the administrator password can be used as password to go change users' options. That's not at all true in the reverse; user passwords don't get you admin privileges. Think of the admin password like the "root" user password; you can do more with it. And the site password works for even more things (for admin privs on any list, for example). --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Leonard Jacobs" To: mailman-users@python.org Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 01:31:17 -0500 Reply-To: lj@mandala-designs.com Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 with Python 2.0 Mailman seems to be continually retrying sending mail to hosts which can't be resolved via the DNS. Is this correct? Also why is it that Mailman seems to invoke sendmail in such a way that it causes sendmail to return a failure on hostnames that can't be resolved (presumably a temporary condition) rather than just passing the message to sendmail and letting sendmail do all the retries itself (which is how most mailers invoke sendmail). I imagine this must relate to the program's needing more detailed info about the state of each message to be sent, but when you tie this in with the default frequency of its retries, it's very strange. ------------------ Leonard Jacobs www.mandala-designs.com (508) 359-5473 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 -0500 To: mailman-users@python.org From: Jim Trigg Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list. The site admin claims that there is no way to either recover or reset that password, and that I have to recreate the list. Is that true, or can he use the site admin password to get access to the list administrative page and reset the password that way? It looks to me from the documentation that he should be able to. Thanks, Jim Trigg --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Michael Albert" To: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:03:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) There is a list about ethiopia maintained or adminstered or otherwise related to your operations. People are being added to this list without having any knowledge of it. They are given passwords they don't know. They cannot, therefore, remove themsleves. I am such a person. Perhaps this is ignorance, more likely a stupid but venal undertaking, At any rate, you should immediately shut down this list and inform those attempting to create it of proper procedures. Thank you. The list is Pol.ethiopia mailing list Pol.ethiopia@lists.sn.apc.org http://lists.sn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/pol.ethiopia Michael Albert Z Magazine / ZNet sysop@zmag.org www.zmag.org --__--__-- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users End of Mailman-Users Digest --------End of Unsent Message